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Poster: pegz Date: Jan 23, 2012 3:02am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: new video/audio player 'opt in' is live!

If you use this as the music player on Android, you get a blank screen with a spinning 'loading video' logo for a HUGE amount of time, followed by a totally black screen while the music is playing! If you have a device without a hardware back button, the only way out of this is to reboot the device! Film is also forced to full screen as well (not always appropriate, especially if embedded), but at least clicking the full screen button several times eventually takes you back. (Mind you, it stops the playback, and you can only start again from the beginning as the seek,jump forward/back controls don't work at all, even if you get them. Then it goes back to full screen....*sigh*)
Even if you do manage to get out of the browser the new player no longer plays in the background.
About a third of the time, returning from a forced-to-fullscreen embedded item takes you back to it's Internet Archive page, rather than back to the article you were reading.
I'm sure you'll agree that,all in all, this is a totally lousy user experience :-)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Jan 25, 2012 11:58am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: new video/audio player 'opt in' is live!

ok, i can reproduce *some* of that.

playing audio, when in "html5" mode on android (the default for most audio with our new player) does insert a [video] tag -- which causes playback to open the .mp4 style player and make a black screen and play the audio. so i will see if we can make that be an audio tag not video...

meanwhile, there is a new "I prefer flash" link at the bottom of the new player. if you click that, the behaviour is nearly identical to the old player -- it sends you a flash-plugin audio playing experience and the performance/experience here was the same in old player (flash) vs. new player (flash).

can't reproduce the "spining for HUGE amounts of time" here. I'm hoping that you just got unlucky w/ an item on a slow server (ie: not player related).

"Even if you do manage to get out of the browser the new player no longer plays in the background."
...neither does the old player.




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Poster: pegz Date: Jan 25, 2012 6:11pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: new video/audio player 'opt in' is live!

Er, the old player does work in the background, in fact it's doing it now as I type this!
I noticed the increased load time whilst I was updating a lot of embeds to the new player. Every time, if I embedded the same file in both formats on the same page, the new embed was far slower to load. One of the drawbacks of using iframes.
Also, when it comes to keeping everybody's sites running smoothly, I'd question the wisdom of switching to iframes anyway. A lot of blogging, forum, and 'make your own website'sites don't allow iframes

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Jan 31, 2012 7:31pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: new video/audio player 'opt in' is live!

hi again,

yes, for browsers that *can* support a direct flash object/embed tag, the iframe method will be a bit slower these days in comparison.

but it's not entirely for flash-vs-html5 -- we are doing a *lot* more under the hood to:
- properly identify the files of an item (eg: if an item changes or file renames -- you're often toast w/ flash direct files named)
- find any captioning information -- over time, we plan to add "Universal Subtitles", which means multi-lingual tracks may appear over time and the new /embed/ codes will "just work"
- allow playlists

but yah, i notice it on my own site/blog -- adding a bunch of /embed/ permalinks is a bit more "expensive". but we're hoping their permanency over
time and their flexibility and auto-updating will more than make up for it.

many of the other embed media sites have opted for iframes as well, and we are taking our lead from what we believe to be the industry standard.

may not be "news to you" or super convincing/great for you to hear, but there are some of the thoughts in a post, at least!

-tracey